Who is the worst case of character assassination in Super?

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Who is it?
Goku	14 (82.4%)
Gohan	0 (0%)
Chi-Chi	0 (0%)
Videl	1 (5.9%)
Other	2 (11.8%)
Total Votes: 17

Who is the worst case of character assassination in Super?
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DBZAOTA482	Feb 9 2017, 11:49 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	Made in the wake of Goku's extreme selfishness demonstrated in the most recent episode. Now we can truly on who's character Super destroyed the most and this is a poll compiled of the most controversial cases. Goku People have complained of Goku's character in the Super anime before due to how it plays up his naivety and social ineptitude to the point where he comes off as a complete dumbass with things such as forgetting the Mafuba and senzu to a battle that determines the fate of the entire multiverse, his indifference to his friends' misery, and apparently not knowing what kissing is (despite being married for 20 years and having 2 kids). things really came to a head with his recent actions. He not only admits to not being there for Chi-Chi and his unborn children he ignores Beerus' warning about Zeno just so he can fight strong people across the multiverse. Unlike other times it is serious business. Yes, Goku can be a selfish idiot at times but there's a limit. Gohan This is the sole exception in that it's not so much the character itself but how he used within the plot. Sure, he makes for cheesy fun with the Gt. Saiyaman alter ego but the whole family man dynamic is poorly executed because it only serves as an excuse to keep him out of the plot and naturally being a series that glorifies being a battle-obsessed freak it just barely tries to show how good his personal life is. Chi-Chi Remember how Chi-Chi initiated Goten's training for the Boo Saga and actually seemed to have somewhat loosen up on her children training? Super sure as hell doesn't... and what's worse is her old traits have been exaggerated to the extremes... moreso than ever before be it anime or manga. She wants Goku to be her slave, tries to dictate how Gohan and Videl should raise their daughter, is beyond insisting that Goten studies (to the point where she's seemingly against him having any fun), and is just unpleasant to watch (always raging over little things). It's like they're trying to make her as unlikeable as possible. Videl This is a relatively minor case. In the Boo Saga she was the tomboyish love interest for Gohan who despite her stubbornness and lineage, proved to be quite a talented fighter who got the grasp of bukujutsu in just 2 weeks and was quite smart (not genius-level like Bulma, mind you) as she identified Gt. Saiyaman almost instantly. However, she seemed to lost any trace of her original character... or any character period. Aside from the moments where she took none of Barry's s*** and glared at Mr. Satan for trying to run away during the BoG arc, she's pretty much generic anime wife 101. Anyways... choose. Originally Mr. Boo was gonna be on the main topic but he hasn't appeared in Super for almost a year now. Yikes!



Tinny	Feb 10 2017, 02:29 AM Post #2
Posts: 6,059 Group: Super Moderator Member #12,355 Joined: May 24, 2015 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Silver Spoon, Fate/Zero, Legend of Galactic Heroes, Space Patrol Luluco, Psycho-pass, Miss Kobayashi What Browser do you use? Chrome, Edge Favourite Manga Wizard's Soul ~Holy War of Love~	Honestly I'd say Goku won during episode 12, and while he's become nominally better (until now anyway), he's still easily the one who has gotten characterized the worst in Dragon Ball Super, his naivety often turned into outright idiocy. Kind of in contrast to Vegeta (albeit not as well as GT and there's still plenty of missteps but he's still doing pretty well), who has been progressing, Goku has been regressing incredibly far. Chi-Chi I admittedly wouldn't count on the basis that I totally understand Chi-Chi's attitude towards Goku so very often (and it seems that they've actually gotten around to the fact Goku isn't a very good person recently, even with the new OP and ep 77 portraying him as kind of menacing). Videl... Yeah, poor Videl, she's getting some good scenes at least here and there, but she's probably getting it almost as bad, though not quite as egregiously and outrageously as Goku. Gohan I think is less bad characterization and more bad plotting at work admittedly. He seems relatively fine aside from repeating mistakes and repeating the same character moment and arc mobilization no less than three times (the third might be sticking at least).
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Feb 10 2017, 03:21 AM Post #3
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Oh, Goku for sure. My issues with Vegeta's backpedaling pale in comparison to my grievances with Goku. Vegeta is still a fun character, I can't really say the same for Goku.
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EMIYA	Feb 10 2017, 07:04 AM Post #4
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Goku by far I can't stress this enough. A lot of characters have kind of hit a relative low point but none of them are like Goku. Some have even kind of improved. Vegeta at the start of Super was the same arrogant, have to beat Goku, Boo Arc mentality he had before. He would even interfere with Goku's fight (like with Freeza) and actively came off as someone no different than he was in the past. It took a while but then we started getting more recent episodes of Vegeta's character and the most recent ones with his family really shows just how much he's changed. I never thought the day would come where Vegeta, much less DBS Vegeta would actually start becoming a tolerable and even enjoyable character. It's a pretty great character moment where Vegeta of all people refuses to train so that he can stand by his wife's side. i mean the guy's even in normal clothes and again it says a lot when Vegeta of all people outright refuses to train despite knowing it'll hinder his placement with Goku just so he can stand by his wife's side. And the it contrasts well with the prodigy a*** Goku who's like... "Who cares Vegeta, you aren't pregnant. Stop being a spoil sport." We sometimes joked that, Goku's a psychopath but now it's all but stated here. Not only is dumber than Kid Boo after getting hit by a bus but his morality is just as lacking. There's that whole point where Beerus is trying to get Goku to understand that, Zeno is not a toy or some little plaything. He's dangerous and Goku's just whining. With Vegeta, the guy is wanting to spend time with his wife, actually showing legitimate care and Goku's just being the world class dick. He is literally worst than any villain that this series has shown. Edited by EMIYA**, Feb 10 2017, 07:05 AM.



+ Pyrus	Feb 10 2017, 07:16 AM Post #5
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Goku had 2 kids with Chi-Chi in Z. He voted for Elder Kaioshin kissing Bulma instead of Chi-Chi. In Super, he's apparently never kissed Chi-Chi. Get out with that gas chamber s***.
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Darker	Feb 10 2017, 07:24 AM Post #6
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,356 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	I'm surprised "all of them" isn't an option. They're all quite controversial.
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Uncrowned	Feb 10 2017, 12:56 PM Post #7
Posts: 16 Group: New Member Member #13,765 Joined: February 9, 2017 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Gundam Wing What Browser do you use? Fire Fox	Goku definitely got hit the worst on the list as the others have stated. His ability to be serious when it matters is pretty much gone and the fight for fun thing has been taken a bit too far. Although I do believe that Goten got it the worst as he basically is no longer a character. Edited by Uncrowned, Feb 10 2017, 12:56 PM.



Sam	Feb 10 2017, 01:53 PM Post #8
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	Son Goku, of course and Son Goten. Son Gohan didn't really. This has been the direction Gohan's trending towards. By EoZ, he is a full-time scholar. Goku doesn't need to be explained. I'm okay with the rest I suppose. The dark horse here is Zamasu/Black Goku. They had an insane amount of potential. And the fix was so simple; so glaringly obvious in certain parts of the arc. Like if they had then gotten the Mafuba seals from the completely intact Future Kame-house with the live turtle on the roof and gotten rid of Zamasu that way. No slaughter of Goku's character - Goku has destroyed more s*t than Beerus at this point - and we're surprised* at how much of an asshole he is to his family And also the Future Trunks arc would have ended better, with Trunks' universe intact. But as Zamasu and Black, really, they just needed to show the greater levels of destruction they had gone to, galaxy-wise and such. Also, have a little bit more of a philosophical approach to them more often like when Merged Zamasu was talking to Vegetto about his flawed immortality. Otherwise, Black Goku is kind of the iconic villain of Super right now. He's still pretty cool and will likely stay that way. Edited by Sam, Feb 10 2017, 01:57 PM.
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TheACE	Feb 10 2017, 01:55 PM Post #9
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Sam	Feb 10 2017, 02:00 PM Post #10
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	Really? I suppose in some ways, though, I rather like Beerus' presence. He works for me, I guess. Also, him pointing out how dangerous Goku's naive nature was to the universe and almost destroying him because of it made me like him a lot more. Someone needed to at least acknowledge how stupid Goku is to try to help him
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Sam	Feb 10 2017, 02:13 PM Post #11
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	Although EMIYA We sometimes joked that, Goku's a psychopath but now it's all but stated here. Not only is dumber than Kid Boo after getting hit by a bus but his morality is just as lacking. There's that whole point where Beerus is trying to get Goku to understand that, Zeno is not a toy or some little plaything. He's dangerous and Goku's just whining. With Vegeta, the guy is wanting to spend time with his wife, actually showing legitimate care and Goku's just being the world class dick. He is literally worst than any villain that this series has shown. wins the topic for summing up DBS Goku's character. Sometimes I wonder if Vegeta's my favorite character just to spite Goku and how much of an insufferable dumb c*** he has become.
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lazerbem	Feb 10 2017, 04:11 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Beers is an odd example, because Super tended to shuffle his character. In the first arc, he's a sadist who drops evil one liners while slowly torturing someone. He mellows out considerably
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ahill1	Feb 10 2017, 06:17 PM Post #13
Posts: 759 Group: Member Member #12,438 Joined: June 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country Egypt Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? the best Favourite Manga HxH	I feel Goku and Vegeta kinda reversed roles compared to their AT's manga selves in some aspects, mainly concerning that of "fighting". In the Cell saga, for example, Vegeta didn't give a f*** about his own family and only cared to train, going 2 entire years in the RoSaT and even purposing remain the rest 8 days there (equivalent to 8 years), while Goku isn't so maniac to training and declined a second year in the Room, saying toughening up even more would be useless and chose to spend some time in a family trip (which I feel was kind a presage for his death). In Super, however, as pointed out by EMIYA, Goku seems to have lost how important family moments are, whith Vegeta now showing these traits, refusing to train with Goku to stay at his wife's side when she was pregnant. That would be kind of a good thing if not for Goku's regression as a character, you can't possibly tell me such change was a good thing, can you? And my vote also goes for Goku, as Chi Chi was already kind of annoying since Dragon Ball, minus the 23rd Budokai I guess. Mr. Boo seems to be even dumber, but that's about it I guess.



Muyasuki	Feb 10 2017, 08:44 PM Post #14
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	I'm surprised people are picking Goku. Unless most people only really know DB/Z from the anime; this is the closest representation to Goku's manga incarnation. The correct answer to the poll is likely Videl. She feels like mostly a new character. I would also make an argument for Krillin as well but there's enough to balance it out.



Uncrowned	Feb 10 2017, 09:06 PM Post #15
Posts: 16 Group: New Member Member #13,765 Joined: February 9, 2017 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Gundam Wing What Browser do you use? Fire Fox	Muyasuki Feb 10 2017, 08:44 PM I'm surprised people are picking Goku. Unless most people only really know DB/Z from the anime; this is the closest representation to Goku's manga incarnation. The correct answer to the poll is likely Videl. She feels like mostly a new character. I would also make an argument for Krillin as well but there's enough to balance it out. I will admit I'm not up on the Manga, but I feel like TeamFourStar's version of Goku would be a better fit and more intelligent at times.



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